INTERVIEW IN THE INDEPENDENT, 2004
By Christina Patterson, The Independent, 30th July 2004
"
You mustn't complain if the dog bites you," Ruth Padel
says as she spears an olive. "It's one of the rules
of this club. But," she adds thoughtfully, "it
doesn't bite women; only men."
We both titter nastily,
but later I have cause to be grateful. Leaping up for more
drinks in this members' club in Soho,
I manage to tread on the golden lurcher,
which has, it seems, been lurking beneath my chair. He growls, but I am saved
by my sex.
Padel is not afraid of dogs. She is not afraid
of much. The woman once described as "the sexiest voice in British poetry" has
recently been travelling around the world to see tigers. She
has sung in a nightclub in Istanbul, taught
horse riding to the wives of British officers in Berlin and lived with peasants
in Crete. Her new poetry collection, The Soho Leopard draws on travels
in Siberia and Burma, Louisiana and China, with a panoply of wildlife - tigers,
leopards,
alligators and jaguars - that also includes the lounge lizard.
Padel started writing poetry when she was three,
but she was 43 before she realised that poetry "was going to be the thing". In the intervening
years, she had a career in academia, lecturing in ancient and modern Greek
at both Oxford
and Cambridge. The word "career" is, in fact, one that triggers
a severe allergic reaction. "I didn't want to be tenured in," Padel
explains, "so
I had lectureships and research fellowships. I was", she adds, "the
first woman fellow of Wadham College, Oxford. They had to change the statutes
for me." In poetry, too, Padel is adamant that "career" is
anathema to the process and the vocation.
It was passion that led her through her PhD, a
passionate interest in the connections between the mind and
the soul in the Greek tragic works that
dominated her
life for seven years. It was passion that led her to Crete, where she
joined an archaeological
dig and learnt Greek. And it was passion, of course, that led her to
the sculptor she lived with for seven years. "He taught me a lot about
the creative life," she
confides.
A poem, she says, "starts with an image or a word or a line. It
gets hooked on to some other things and then it grows. There are two
ways of making sculpture.
The first is where you have some wax and you work it up and bring some
things in. The second," she adds, taking a sip of her red wine, "is
Michelangelo chipping away at the stone and finding the image inside."
Padel's poetry is a fiercely idiosyncratic mix
of erudition and the contemporary vernacular, bringing together
references to Pushkin and
Darth Vader,
Malory and Iggy Pop, Odysseus and Issey Miyake. History features
prominently. So do music,
visual arts, restaurants and clothes - any and every aspect, in fact,
of
culture past and present. "I think I'm always trying, like a magpie," she
confides, "to
bring different things in and see how much a poem can bear."
Her first full-length collection, Summer Snow,
published nearly 15 years ago, is the one that most explicitly
draws on her
knowledge
of ancient Greek history.
It is, she says disarmingly, "not very good". In her
second collection, Angel, she
continues to combine mythic and historical perspectives, but adds
a babble of voices from Bedlam to raise questions about madness and
meaning.
In her third collection, Fusewire, she uses a love affair
as a metaphor for the colonial relationship between Britain and
Ireland. "If
Wallace Stevens and Anna Akhmatova were one and the same person," the
Irish poet Paul Durcan said on reading it, "you'd have Ruth
Padel."
It was in her fourth collection, Rembrandt Would Have Loved
You,
that she discovered the theme, and form, that set her free. The
book begins with
a poem called "Icicles
Round a Tree in Dumfriesshire", which won the National Poetry
Competition in 1996. Ostensibly about an ice sculpture by Andy
Goldsworthy, it's archetypal
Padel, combining references to art, Aretha Franklin, log fires
and lightning in a love poem that's also a plea: "I hope
you'll be truthful/ To me. At least as truthful as lightning,/
Skinning
a tree."
Formally, it was a departure and set the tone
for much that would follow. "I
was stuck," she confesses, "and couldn't get away
from these three-liners. So I decided to try something different.
I did things
that felt terribly alien
- it was like putting a poem in a dinner jacket or an evening
suit or something. I suddenly began to find interesting ways
of stopping
a line,
which I think
was going back to the patternings of the Greek lyric."
Rembrandt Would Have Loved You is the first of three collections
charting the progress of a turbulent love affair, beginning with explosive
passion and
ending,
in The Soho Leopard, with disillusion. Padel is
engagingly open about the fact that her poems draw heavily
on personal
experience. "All poets use their
personal experience in a different sort of way," she declares matter-of-factly. "Some
disguise it a lot. Some don't. Actually," she adds, "once
I've made a poem out of it, it doesn't seem an embarrassing
or intimate thing
at all.
After a while, I think of them as artefacts."
If love is a theme, it is also a metaphor and the jumping-off
point for a whole raft of intellectual challenges. Rembrandt
Would Have Loved You
is about love and art, light and dark, but it also subverts
the whole trope of
the love poem
and the traditional male gaze. While writing the poems, Padel
was writing a prose book, I'm a Man, a study of
rock music and masculinity. It started off as an exploration
of women and
rock, but, after
meeting Yoko Ono, Shirley
Manson of
Garbage, and Gayle Advert (bass-guitarist in the punk band
The Adverts, who told Ruth wistfully that "it was just
nice if they didn't spit all over you"),
she realised that she needed to go back to basics - ie, men.
In her fifth collection, Voodoo Shop, Padel takes
the reader on a whirlwind journey: from the local deli to
Bondi Beach, Venice to Galway,
Rio
de Janeiro to Cannes.
While the poems work as dramatic monologues in their own
right, they are also metaphors for the human search for faith
and truth, in art, religion
and, yes,
even voodoo dolls. And there's the jungle theme, too, the
literal and metaphorical landscape that has come to dominate
Padel's life for the past three years.
Padel is a great-great-granddaughter of Charles Darwin. Her
favourite book as a child was The Jungle Book. It
is only recently, however, that her interest in wildlife
has become something of an obsession. Looking back
now, she can see
that there were glimmerings of it all along. There are snakes,
hummingbirds and tigers as far back as Angel. "I
think," she admits, with a rueful smile, "I
must have been dreaming about tigers all my life."
She is certainly dreaming about them now. The writing of The
Soho Leopard coincided
with her research for a travel memoir, provisionally entitled Tigers
in Red Weather.The book, "an inner and an outer
memoir",
due for publication next year, involved tiger-watching visits
to Siberia,
China
and Burma, which
fed into
the poems as well as the prose.
The opening poem, "Tiger Drinking at a Forest Pool",
came to her on a journey to Vladivostock. "I woke up
in the half-light of Vladivostock," she
recalls, "remembering George Herbert's poem 'Prayer',
made entirely of things for which it is the title. I thought,
'Maybe I could do it like that.'" The
result, which she had written by the end of the day, while
visiting a n "antler-velvet
farm" of deer which a tiger had been plundering, is
a touching lyric of love and loss, a lament for "treasure
found but lost"; for "anyone
hurt by littleness", and "treachery forgiven".
As always in Padel's work, the poems work as individual,
often dazzling, snapshots and together as an extended metaphor.
Although
love is
still there, largely
in the sour taste of its absence, it is no longer the main
theme. That is no less
than our human need for wildness and for stories - and the
wider moral implications of the stories we tell. In poems
such as "The Forest, the Corrupt Official
and a Bowl of Penis Soup" and the title poem, "The
Soho Leopard",
she charts a journey of moral disenchantment. "There's
always," she
says, spearing another olive, "the fight between rhetoric
and nature. But at the end," she adds, "there's
a feeling that two people don't matter a hill of beans -
the things I've
learnt
are so shaky,
so large."
Padel is getting used to meeting tigers. "Tiger eyes are very small," she
tells me, as I manoeuvre my way back round the tripped-over dog. "They're
not green; they're a kind of amber-topaz - small and brown, with a sort of khaki
iris. What's really lethal is the tiger's front foot. What does the danger," she
concludes with a dazzling smile, "is the claws."
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